I think these are really cool too.

They came in all sorts of colours and rubbed finishs glazing effect. I like the matt finishes. I collect these.

The yellow matt version is hard to find it brings top $$ for these little vases.

But they have to be in mint condition.

They should have a silver sticker on the bottom.

Never handle these by the handles.

Early Roseville pieces were catalogued by style as in style 607 followed by a dash and height 607-4. There is an interesting story behind this catalogue system.

Roseville Vase 4".5 x4" cat# 607-4 c1915
RiCO

You want to find these in mint condition.


RiCO

Here is another colour and a rubbed type effect.


RiCO

And this is how you want these with silver sticker in tack.

These have gone up in price and are harder to find. They have to be in mint condition with sticker. $$$



Roseville vase in matt colours c1915


RiCO

Thanks for the information. I was not aware of this line of Roseville and this info may prove useful at a later date.

FYI This line was also called Solid Colors 1916-32. Most of the shapes we around were introduced in 1932. Mac

Hello Mac,

And welcome to the forum.

FYI Roseville used paper stickers in the early 1900's therefore that's an indication that these were produced in the early 1900's shape and all. Also the way these were catalogued.

Read the post carefully and look at the pictures.

Thanks for the discussion.

RiCO

Greetings RiCO. I bow to your knowledge since I am not that familiar with this line. It is referred to (officially) as the Solid Color Line, yes? When was it introduced? Very attractive shapes. Mac

Hello Mac,

This is an intellectual forum on the Arts and Crafts Movement. Which was an intellectual movement. I don't make this "stuff" up!

Many people have written many controversial articles, books on this subject.

If you can teach us otherwise (makers mark, pics etc...) please do so that's what we are here for.

And again, Thanks for the discussion and welcome to the forum.


RiCO

Hi RiCo.

I was not suggesting you were making anything up and if some how you got that impression then let me apologize now. Being an irregular poster here my intention is not to upset. My intention was to add to the discussion.

You know as well as I do that there are many published “experts” out there that provide us with conflicting information. What I was sharing was what I had read a while back in Mark Bassett’s book Introducing Roseville Pottery. So just to be sure I had his facts right, I reread his piece on Solid Colors. Here is what he said about the line in question.

Thank you for welcoming me.

Mac
From Mark Bassett's book Introducing Roseville Pottery, page 230.
Solid Colors
An early line, introduced between 1916 and 1932
Factory name(s): Unknown (believed to be Solid Colors)
Collector nickname(s): Matt Color (according to Huxford, 1976);
Matt Colors (Buxton 1977)
Style: Arts and Crafts
Typical Marks: Unmarked. Some have a foil label. (these could be lost, leaving the piece unmarked)

By 1916, a line called Solid Color was mentioned in Roseville advertisements. This may have refereed to a group of small vases and planters with impressed linear decorations, shown in one of the untitled factory stock pages. Previous Roseville authors have dubbed these products Matt Colors, although glossy and semi gloss are know too. Most known shapes were introduced in 1932

These are some very pretty pieces ... I did a little snooping around to see what's out there as far as additional info and all the references I found to Matt Color were from the 1920s.

We've been collecting old magazines lately and have found quite a few ads for Roseville. There might be some illumination as to when Matt Color pieces were originally introduced by when they appear in the decorating magazines.

Mac, do you have Bassett's book? I'm curious about the source of the dates given. Rago's "American Art Pottery" doesn't mention Matt Color by name but it seems to fit with the retooling Roseville did during the 1920s.

RiCO, where were these two pieces catalogued? That might also provide some hints. Because Roseville was out of business by the mid-1950s, I wonder how much guess work went into the books on the various lines. That would lead to the inevitable contention between different writers.

Rikki

Hello Mac,

I apologize if I seem rude.

Your answer is in your writings.

I dont want to get into a debate over 1915,1916 or 1920. Solid or matt colours.

As we both said all of this is controversial.

I collect these vases as I said. I did the research many years ago. I dont remember the sources where I got the information from.

I would have to do the research again.

I dont claim to know everything. I'm subject to make mistakes IF that's the case it is because I'm human.

The key to all of this is the Roseville catalogued number 607-4 as explained in my original post.

Also, in Basset's book he wrote that the "systematic" catalogued method began in 1916 not that the line was introduced then.

And in your second post you made alot of "assumptions" or the author did.

Thanks, I really enjoyed this discussion.

RiCO

Here is a picture of the rare yellow version that I own of Roseville catalogue number 607-4 commonly refered to as Matt or solid colour.

c1915
RiCO

That is a beauty RiCO. Roseville certainly produced some beautiful pottery. My weakness is Van Briggle. Here is one that I have that I think fits the look of the Arts&Crafts style and reminds me of your pieces. Mac

I will repost the pics of my collection, hopefully this weekend. Mac

Here are the pictures from my Weller collection reposted. Thanks for letting me share. Mac

Weller Souevo
Height: 4 ¾”
Design date: 1907-1910
Designed by: Weller
Production date: 1907-1910

Weller Souevo, shape 23, pictured on page 190 of the Huxford's book. Souevo was based on Native American designs. The pieces were made from red clay with a water proof (or resistant!!) black glossy lining. The shapes were vases, bowls, humidors, and pitchers all with designs typical of American Indian wares. It was said that Weller (and J.B.Owens, too) made the line in imitation of the then popular Clifton Indian Ware. Legend has it that they were usually unmarked because they were shipped out West and sold to unsuspecting tourists as authentic Native American. My piece happens to be marked Weller which is unusual.

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/7519/1292983jx4.jpg

Weller Claywood
Height: 8.5”
Design date: 1910
Designed by: Weller
Production date: 1910

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/3489/wellerclaywoodtallav8.jpg

Here are the pictures of my Van Briggle pieces I posted earlier. Thanks Mac

Shape #17
Height: 9.5”
Lorelei
Design date: 1900
Designed by: Artus Van Briggle
Production date: 1984
This is a well known piece designed by Van Briggle, depicts a mermaid situated around the top rim of a vase. This piece was made in 1984. Early pieces would be very expensive!

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/3272/vb017ty9.jpg

Shape #167
Height: 13.5”
Design date: 1903
Designed by: Artus Van Briggle
Production date: 1920's

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/3413/vb167ul5.jpg

Shape # 247
Height: 5 ¾”
Design date: 1904
Designed by: Artus Van Briggle
Production date: 1906

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/3575/vb247efn4.jpg

More Van Briggle. Mac

Shape #756
Height: 8.5”
Design date: 1909
Designed by: Anne Gregory Van Briggle
Production date: 1920's
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/6360/vb756ars4.jpg

Shape #792
Height: 6 ¾’
Design date: 1909
Designed by: Anne Gregory Van Briggle
Production date: 1920’s
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/4708/vb792akr5.jpg

Shape #840
Height: 4 ¼”
Design date: 1910
Designed by: unknown
Production date: 1912
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/2789/vb840bcp7.jpg

Shape #847
Height: 4 ¼”
Design date: 1910
Designed by: Anne Gregory Van Briggle
Production date: 1920’s
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/302/vb847brownwy4.jpg

...more. Mac

Shape #858
Diameter: 6.5”
Design date: 1911
Designed by: Anne Gregory Van Briggle
Production date: 1900's
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/7572/vb858avy4.jpg

Shape #860
Height: 8 ¼”
Design date: 1911
Designed by: Anne Gregory Van Briggle
Production date: 1919/20
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/4404/vb860tm9.jpg

a few more...
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/1094/vb002ahn9.jpg
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/2337/vbalbum004so4.jpg
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/8910/vbalbum007azs4.jpg

Again thank you for allowing me to share. Mac